"Join us for a wide ranging conversation with Dick Schwartz where we discuss everything from the origins of the Internal Family Systems (IFS) model to the role of Self-Leadership in contemporary social justice movements."

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This interview of Dick Schwartz was conducted by Sascha DuBrul and Jacks McNamara in 2020.

Topics we discuss include:

  • How it’s the nature of the mind to have multiple parts

  • The role of legacy burdens in what gets called “mental illness”

  • The visionary history of systemic family therapy

  • The potential synergy of Open Dialogue and Internal Family Systems

  • Why it’s much easier to train non-therapists in IFS

  • The potential role of Self-Leadership in contemporary social justice movements